it's been a tough few days for cats. yesterday we told you about the smithsonian institute study that recommended sterilization and euthanasia to combat a dangerous cat population. you were extremely disturbed by this. based on the response we got about the story, today cat scratch fever has taken hold in america. a month ago, hasbro announced they would be ditching one of the metal tokens from the board game. they said, it's a vote. after a heated month, users from 185 different countries picked their favorites and they're eliminating the iron from the game. they've eliminated something

that's been part of the game for 76 years. there's a void. what's going to take its place? in a separate vote, users decided which piece would be added to the game. the choices included a robot, car, helicopter, ring and cat. with 31% of the vote, the cat won by a whisker. i know a few of you iron fans are pretty steamed right now. the golden token bonus set is coming that includes all the original pieces including the iron and cat. it hits stores february 15th. dog lovers, keep in mind you've always had a dog piece. and we love doings too. anderson starts now. thanks very much, erin. good evening, tonight on the program, the bunker busters, new details about what happened in that alabama bunker. in the split seconds when authorities went in. seconds that spelled life for a little boy who turned 6 today and death for his captor. take a look at this man who's 74 years old, he's on a pharmaceutical cocktail that

makes it possible for him to look like that. the question tonight, has he found a healthy fountain of youth? or a prescription for disaster. what you need to know before you do what he's doing. a program that takes guns out of the hands of known criminals. with all the talk about expanding background checks this one seems to be a no-brainer. it's a program in california that does exactly what everyone agrees should be done. takes deadly weapons away from dangerous people. we're talking about thousands of weapons each year. what's surprising, is that the number of weapons taken out of the hands of law breakers could be so much higher and more lives could be saved if only there was more money available for this program. the other surprising thing before the program is that california is the only state right now that bothers to track down criminals in this way. and their guns. now, each year the state of california manages to take some 2,000 guns out of the hands of convicted criminals and off the streets. but at the same time, 3,000 more

names of law breakers are added to that list of illegal gun owners. why aren't more resources devoted to this program, the program that seems to work. in a moment, we'll talk with california's attorney general. but first, randi kaye takes us inside the program. >> reporter: you're watching a raid for illegal guns. this is glendale, california. these special agents from the justice department's bureau of firearms have one goal in mind. seize these weapons before someone gets killed. the man who owns them isn't here. but among the weapons agentses find a 50 caliber handgun, the most powerful handgun in the world. >> we've seized guns from gang members, from drug dealers. from felons, from doctors, lawyers. so -- and everybody that fits in between. >> special agent john marsh says in this case, the gun's owner is just one of nearly 20,000 california residents who in all illegally owned about 40,000 firearms.

the owners are prohibited by the state from having these weapons for various reasons. a violent criminal history. a commitment to a mental institution or a record of domestic violence. >> so all of these people were supposed to turn their weapons in on their own, and then you're coming to collect them because they haven't? >> right. whatever their commitment or conviction, they were notified that they need to relinquish their firearms. and for whatever reason, they've decided that they're not going to do that. >> reporter: here the owner had been convicted of battery. yet he still had all this, five long guns, two handguns including this 50 caliber handgun, plus 3500 rounds of ammunition. >> somebody like him shouldn't have any of these? >> shouldn't have even one. shouldn't have even one single bullet. >> reporter: california's justice department uses a special database to cross-reference gun owners with those convicted of crimes. the names of those who can no longer legally own a weapon are then passed on to dozens of

special agents statewide. it's not complicated. but california is the only state that has this type of program. >> any time someone that shouldn't have a gun has a gun and knows that they should turn it in, you tend to question why they still have that gun. >> reporter: like this guy. >> why are they searching my car? >> because there's evidence in your car. >> of what? >> reporter: of what? of the crime with the guns. >> it just bothers me that i'm cooperating and -- you know. can you please get them to stop, i'm taking that very, very personally. >> they're not going to stop. >> reporter: he has a restraining order against him and two misdemeanor battery convictions, yet was still in possession of this 45 caliber handgun and this 9 millimeter which agents promptly seized. >> they're both semiautomatic handguns. both of them registered to him. >> reporter: after his arrest for illegal possession of a

firearm, sassoon told me it was a misunderstanding in court. he wasn't clear when he had to turn his guns in. in the end you think it's a good idea, the program? >> for criminals, yes. people like me, no. >> reporter: since 2007 this program has seized more than 10,000 guns. last year alone, about 2500. along with 120,000 rounds of ammunition, and 11,000 illegal high capacity magazines. at this stop agents searched the suspect's apartment, they didn't find any weapons there. he directed them to his car. inside his car, they found those right there, two ar-15 assault style weapons, a rifle and a handgun. the owner of the guns had a warrant out for his arrest. plus, a domestic battery, restraining order. he was taken to jail, charged with illegal possession of a firearm. do you think that this program is making california safer? >> i can unequivocally say that

i know that my team has not only saved the people of california's lives, but they've also saved the lives of some of the people we've taken guns from. >> just to be clear, these are folks who were law abiding citizens when they got the guns legally for the most part, and then they broke the law, whether it's domestic battery or they committed a felony or whatever it is. or they're mentally unstable. they're no longer allowed to have the guns. i'm amazed that california is the only state that has a program that tracks these people down? >> i'm amazed as well. and so are these agents if you speak with them. california is the only state that has this special database that helps them get the owners of these guns and track them down. but it's incredible too, because they need more resources, there's only 33 agents, anderson, in this state that are able to do this. and i know the attorney general would like to double the resources, and so would the agents. there's so many more names, as you mentioned at the top, 3,000

more names being added to this list on a regular basis. they cannot keep up at this rate. >> they're taking about 2,000 guns from about 2,000 people each year but they're adding 3,000 new names to the list of people who have guns illegally. so it's not a winning battle? >> no. and that's why these guys go out there every single night. they work their day job during the day, and then they go out at night and try to get these guns off the street. it is a very, very hard job. they never know who's behind the door, what they're going to get. they get a lot of resistance from family members who don't always tell them where the owner is, or where the weapons are. and communication really is key once they're out there. juan of the agents out there told me in his biggest seizure, they got 600 guns from one individual. so training and communication is really a big part of this, that's what you need to get -- certainly a number of weapons like that away from someone. >> thanks very much.

let's dig deeper now with california attorney general and aurora shooting victim. he's currently a policy and outreach assistant for mayors against illegal guns. his organization and many others are in washington today pushing for action against gun violence. attorney general harris. i think most people seeing what you all are doing in california would say, that makes sense. felons should not have these weapons and should have them taken away. even though your officers are abe to seize about 2,000 guns each year. i read that each year some 3,000 new people who should have their guns taken away are added to this list. does the state not have the resources to track all these people down who shouldn't have guns? >> this year, i'm pleased to say the legislature has taken this on, and they're helping us with our continuing advocacy for more resources. and we have, because of that promise, made a pledge that we should be able to deal with our backl backlog, which is about 20,000 individuals by the end of this

calendar year, and going-forward. deal with the 3,000 that come on the books every year. >> does it surprise you or concern you that california's the only state so far doing this? >> well, you know, i think there are a lot of sensitive feelings around the government coming in and seizing weapons. i couldn't agree more. it's a reasonable program. as long as there's a defined rigorous process of arbitration, where you have a judge issuing a warrant. i mean, we already prohibit these classes of people from purchasing these weapons through our federal background check system. it follows they shouldn't be allowed to possess them either. >> these are people who, they got the guns in many cases legally, it's just they have commit a crime after getting the guns legally so they basically have lost their right to have the gun. is that correct? >> that's absolutely right. and who can -- any of us who are a believer in the second

amendment but also a believer in public safety have to agree that when someone has been by a court prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm, and in particular, because they were convicted of a felony or are mentally ill, we need to take the guns out of their hands. they're going to pose a much greater risk to the safety of the family in that home, that neighborhood and the community at large. >> have you gotten pushback from the nra? >> when this was first proposed there was support for it. since then there has been a.m. big u ous support. i think the nra and everyone has to agree, this is about smart policing. this is about a smart and effective way of taking guns out of the hands of people who are dangerous to our community and have proven to be so many. >> steven, the newtown shootings hit home for you in more ways than one. you used to live near newtown, now that there's a bill in

congress, how hopeful are you that something will change? this time there will be some sort of movement? >> i was heartened this past monday to see bipartisan legislation introduced in the house when it comes to cracking down on gun trafficking. so, you know, i'm really hopeful that congress is finally catching up to the american public at large. these are reforms that are agreed upon by large majorities of regular every day citizens, including gun owners. and so, you know, it's about time congress is acting on something that has really been common sense for many years now. >> attorney general harris, you have come out in support of senator feinstein's ban on assault weapons. but of the proposals on the table. whether it's universal background checks or assault weapons ban. is there one you think is most important? i think gun control advocates will say, it's all important. is there one -- if you have to

choose one, as it may come down, to it may not be -- is there one that you think would have the biggest impact? >> well, as you have your question proposes, this is not a monolith, each issue is different. assault weapons should be taken off the streets. i've seen them kill babies and police officers, not intended use. the reality is, the background checks, i think, as proved by our program in california, really does give law enforcement a great tool. once someone has been found to be prohibited from owning a gun, we know who has the guns and we can take the guns. and so as a law enforcement tool throughout the country. if we nationalize background checks, made it a requirement in all states, we could do a lot in terms of public safety. the chief of police, for example in los angeles has said to me many times, that he would like to see that it were happening in neighboring states. otherwise it's possible someone

can go into a neighboring state that does not require a background cherks buy a gun and bring it into california. i think that could be one of the most powerful tools is the background check piece of the national legislation. >> i appreciate you being with us. >> it's pretty simple. >> steven barnett, thank you as well. >> thank you. >> thank you. should more states have programs that track down felons, take their guns away like california does in we'll talk about it on twitter during the rest of the program tonight. follow me on twitte twitter @andersoncooper right now. what happened when the fbi agents raided that bunker in alabama. how they knew what they were facing, including a pair of bombs and what they did to take down the threat, saving a young boy's life. chris christie, the governor new jersey takes a verbal scalpel to the former white house doctor who weighed in on his waistline. here's what he says about her long distance diagnosis. >> she should shut up. >> strong words. she joins us tonight to reen spod. [ kitt ] you know what's impressive?

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late word tonight on the alabama hostage rescue. local authorities are planning to destroy the bunker. ethan could have died in that bunker, shot by his captor. instead, ethan was able to celebrate his sixth birthday with his family. new details are emerging about the nightmarish week that led up to the rescue. starting with the school bus driver. an official viewed surveillance video from the bus as the killer came on board. he spoke tonight with erin burnett. >> jimmy lee dykes walks on to the bus. he hands a piece of paper to the bus driver. he stands up and puts himself

between -- there's about 20 kids on the bus. this is an odd school bus. you have kids from kindergarten to high school there. >> all ages. >> he says i'm going to need to take two kids. and charles albert poland, the bus driver, who has been through hostage training two years before, in case a gunman ever came on his bus. i'm sure he never imagined it would be somebody he knew said i'm responsible for these children and you can't have them. over that four minutes you hear jimmy lee dykes saying, i'm going to kill you if you get in the way here. as he's trying to take the kids he says, i'm going to shoot you. poland is frightened, but he stands his ground. and then dykes shoots him, and it's ethan the 5-year-old who's sitting there in the front row. he takes ethan, the one child and heads to the bunker. >> if you're watching the program last night, we talked to mr. poland's son who talked

about what a hero his father was. not just on that day, as you just heard, but every day of his life in his relationships with the community and his love for those children on his school bus. we've also learned more tonight from martin savidge. >> reporter: we now have a clearer picture of how the authorities ended the seven-day bunkeren sadoff. once the order was given, members of an fbi hostage team used explosives to gain access to the bunker and disorient jimmy lee dykes. dykes was able to get off at least one shot at the agents who returned fire, killing him. then the agents quickly rescued his young hostage who amazingly, despite the blasts and gunfire was physically unharmed. dale county sheriff walley olson says, ultimately the decision to go was his. >> i'll be real honest with you, it was one of the hardest decisions i've made in my life. >> reporter: after the raid, authorities discovered two explosive dwee vices, including one in the bunker and another in

the pvc pipe. explosives weren't the only unstable variable. there was dykes state of mind. neighbors describe the 65-year-old as a paranoid anti-government loner, fixated on a conspiracy involving horse racing. >> he used to keep notebooks of horse races. he always said that mafia run the horse races. >> reporter: sources close to the case say while talking to police from the bunker, dykes would ram bell on about his theory. he wanted to get his message out. >> mr. dykes feels like he has a story that's important to him. it's very complex. >> reporter: in the early hours of the stand off. local authorities even contemplated sending in a local reporter to talk to dykes. >> i knew the school bus driver had been shot. >> reporter: ricky stokes was the first reporter on the scene.

authorities approached him with the idea. >> you were willing to go along with that? >> anything they needed me to do. if it meant me showing him how to use the equipment or going into the bunker, i was willing to do, just like everybody involved in the operation would have done. >> reporter: in the end the plan was nixed and the fbi took over negotiations. federal hostage teams began training up on a model of dykes bunker. the mockup was located right over there next to the building. it's been taken down now. but look at this, the training was all taking place right next door to the media compound. and that training paid off with a daring split second rescue that left authorities exhausted and overjoyed. >> marty joins us now. what are police going to do with that bunker and the evidence they collect -- after they evidence? >> reporter: that evidence gathering is going to take a number of days according to

authorities. the sheriff told me quite bluntly, once that is done, nobody else is going to see the interior of that bunker, he will make sure it's destroyed. >> it's ethan's sixth birthday today. it's such a miracle he was able to celebrate it with his family today. he's okay, do we know how he spent the day? >> reporter: the sheriff is one of the few who got to share a time with ethan. he's in the area and under careful guard. he's still undergoing psychological evaluation. he was playing with toys, smiling ear to ear, and he was with the people who love him most. anderson. >> so glad to hear that. out of respect for his family and the child's age, we're not giving his last name. chris christie has a blunt message for the former white house doctor who said she's worried he could die in office because he's so overweight. the governor told her to shut

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as you know, new jersey governor chris christie had some choice words for former white house doctor connie mariano, after she shared her concerns about his weight on an interview on cnn. >> i'm worried he may have a heart attack, a stroke. it's almost like a timebomb waiting to happen unless he addresses those issues. >> in that interview, mariano said she never met christie. here's how the governor responded today. >> i find it fascinating that a doctor in arizona, who's never met me, never examined me, never reviewed my medical history or records and knows nothing about my family history could make a diagnosis from 2400 miles away. she must be a genius. my children saw that last night. and she sat there on tv and said, i'm afraid he's going to die in office. i have four children between 9 and 19.

my children, my 12-year-old son came to me and said, dad, are you going to die? come on. this is irresponsible stuff. this is just another hack who wants five minutes on tv. >> dr. mariano has never met or examined governor christie, she said that. it's also true she's board certified in internal medicine, spent nine years as the white house physician to three sitting presidents. she describes what that was like in her book. she joins me now. it's pretty hard on the governor. how do you respond. >> it was shocking to those things, i was in clinic, i did not hear his broadcast. he used some pretty strong words there. >> i understand he called you today. can you say what you talked about? >> i will not comment on that. i only shared with you that that phone conversation, the words gracious and appreciative do not come to mind opinion.

>> is this about politics for you. i understand you're republican and you said you would like governor christie to run for president in 2016. >> absolutely, i've always liked him. he's very spongy, feisty. it's not about politics. i look at him as a physician, i'm in private practice, i see many patients every day i was in clinic all day today. i have patients who suffer with obesity, and over 30% of americans suffer with obesity. it's a huge problem. it's not a laughing matter. >> the governor said he's basically the healthiest fat guy you've ever seen in his life. his cholesterol levels and blood sugar levels are normal. is it possible for someone his size to be healthy? or is that automatically not possible? >> you know, those may be his numbers, that's great, i congratulate him, but when you see somebody you don't have to be a doctor to look at him and realize that he has a problem

with weight. >> but a problem with weight, does that -- what does that correspond to in terms of his health. >> the heavier you are, the more you -- you're in the overweight obese category. the increased risk you have with obese related problems such as diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, sleep apnea. these are things that physicians like myself see in practice in our patients who are overweight. >> you characterize the phone conversation, i'm trying to remember the exact words you said, not gracious, correct? >> correct. >> was that on his part or your part. >> i think it was on his part. >> can you describe any more about the phone conversation. >> he asked that we don't discuss that. >> okay. do you regret making the comments that you made? >> no, absolutely not. >> because -- >> i'm sorry he took it that

way. it was almost killing the messenger his reaction to it. i know he admits he struggled with his weight for many years. i encourage him to get help for that. the question that was posed to me was, when i see somebody like him at his size, what things come to my mind. it's true, i haven't examined him, i don't have his records, i'm not his doctor, but when i see somebody like him, i worry about those risk factors. >> doctor, thank you for being on. appreciate it. >> thank you. theres a lot more happening tonight, deb feyerick joins us with a 360 news bulletin. >> president obama is directing the justice department to release classified documents to justice, justifying the targeted killing of americans. it follows secrecy surrounding the country's drone program. police in texas releasing a tape of the # 11 call that led to the arrest in the murder of

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breaking news,ed u.s. anti-doping agency is giving lance armstrong more time to reach a deal to cooperate with

them. today was the deadline they originally gave the cyclist. in a statement, travis tygert said, we've been in communication with mr. armstrong. he wants to be a part of the solution to clean up the sport of cycling. this comes as another bombshell arrived. abc news is reporting that the disgraced cyclist is under federal investigation for obstruction, witness tampering and intimidation. they call it an active criminal investigation. here's why it's so interesting. the u.s. justice department you may remember spent years investigating armstrong for drug distribution, fraud and conspiracy. a year ago it closed the case without much of an explanation. surprised a lot of people at the time. even some of those involved in the investigation. many were convinced they had the goods on armstrong. many thought armstrong's admission that he doped during his prime years of cycling might lead to new criminal charges.

he's denied doping for years, even under oath. we now know that the federal investigation never ended or it's been restarted. the big question tonight is, could lance armstrong actually go to jail? betsy andreos is with us tonight. her husband was a teammate of lance armstrong. they testified in the trial. you heard him say he wants to cooperate with the investigation. what do you make of that? >> i think it's a good thing. it's about time that lance came forward. i think he has good people telling him you have to tell the truth. this is not just about you, but it's about the sport of cycling. and it's about all of sports. we see what's going on with alex rodrigez, with baseball. nobody's above the law, nor should they be. >> betsy, you and i watched this -- the interview he did with oprah, you were on our

program back then. i get tweets from people who say, lance armstrong's already come clean. your point is, and the point of a lot of people who know him and have been following him closely, he didn't fully come clean. there's a lot of details hen did the get into. and a lot of things you say, and others say he wasn't telling the truth about. >> that's true. usada did its job, travis tiger, bill bach did their job to bring this -- to hold lance accountable. now, it's the job of the united states government on the civil side and the criminal side to go forward. because as i said before. there's no way that lance got away with this. there's no way that he did it on his own. he was aided and abetted. and so lance is going to have to come clean. oprah wasn't the forum to -- where he should have come clean with every single detail, with everything. but if he's going to take that step.

he can cooperate with authorities from the civil and criminal side of the government as well as provide usado with the details that they need to see why he was able to get away with this for so long. >> jeff, you're a former prosecutor. what do you make of this investigation. >> it makes sense for them to reopen the case. everything is different now, now that armstrong has admitted all this. it's important to remember. this has basically been a failed criminal investigation. they have not had the success that they had hoped to have. roger clemens got acquitted, barry bonds was largely acquitted. it's not -- it's far from clear that there is any criminal activity on the part of armstrong here. and also, the statute of limitations comes into effect here. a lot of the stuff he's been talking about is five, ten years ago, that may simply be beyond the reach of federal law enforcement. >> even though this is not about doping, if charges are brought, would that -- how would you feel about that? would that satisfy you?

would it satisfy people who armstrong lied to, lied about and treated incredibly poorly over the years? tried to really destroy? >> well, again, as -- lance has taken the first step to make amends, but words mean things, they have to be followed by action. i think with andre borat, the president he was sending, that you could have a laundry list of witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, he did not even let this go before the grand jury. but yet there's another government agency, another u.s. attorney's office that sees the same crimes that andre borat said, that he could ignore. but this other u.s. attorney's office is saying, no, we can't. we cannot set the precedent that this doesn't matter, because it does matter. people put their reputations and

their livelihoods to tell the truth. so it does matter. >> andre borat is the u.s. attorney in los angeles, who said that he's not pursuing this. >> that would be about a year ago. >> right. and the u.s. attorney in san francisco is the one who may be looking at it now. remember, also. we're talking about criminal liability here. he has a world of civil problems. he's going to be sued for $12 million for the insurance company that paid him the bonus for winning the tour de france. he has that federal whistle blower suit that could be tens of millions in liability. those civil cases are coming. >> could he go to jail? >> if he's convicted, absolutely. but he hasn't been charged so he's a long way from being convicted. if he is convicted, no question. >> jeff tuben, thank you. betsy andreu thank you again. a growing number baby boomers and older people are turning to the exact same substances lance used.

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we told you about the latest fallout for lance armstrong and his doping scandal. now there are concerns about ryan braun and a florida clinic accused of distributing performance enhancing drugs to other big named players. braun responded in a statement

saying he has nothing to hide. he goes on to explain his name appears in the clinics records because his lawyer hired its operator as a consultant in the a successful appeal of a drug test following his mvp season. clinics like this one make headlines when they end up the center of a sport scandal. many are cashing in outside of athletics. many baby boomers and others are returning to performance enhancing drugs to regain what age is taking away. doctors are selling these same substances as a fountain of youth. one doctor practices what he preaches and doesn't mind being the 74-year-old face of the anti-aging movement. >> reporter: this is the body of a man who uses performance enhancing drugs. virtually the same ones connected to lance armstrong. olympian marion jones and alex rodrigez. this man is not a professional athlete. jeffrey is 74, with a rock hard

body. and he claims the mental sharpness of a man half his age. >> everyone's going to age. i'm not against aging, i'm against getting old. >> reporter: he claims no one has to, with daily rigorous workouts, a strict low carb diet and injections of testosterone and hgh. >> we use it to improve health, to slow disease and prevent disease. and to improve quality of life. i'd like to think i'm blazing a trail for the baby boomer generation. >> reporter: a journey that dr. life, a family physician began years ago. this was him before exercise and supplements. this is him today on a new book releasing next month. >> how does this 74-year-old doctor keep looking younger and younger as he ages? the answer is the cenegenics health program. >> reporter: part of the exploding anti-aging industry that relies in part on

testosterone and hgh. last year, they report they made 100 million in revenue. the anti-aging industry targets america's about 80 million aging baby boomers, looking for anyway to turn back the hands of time. the fda regulates the use of hgh. stressing the hormone is not an approved treatment for anti-aging. how does cenegenics not break any laws? by focusing on a loophole of sorts. >> we're all about correcting deficiencies and getting levels up to a healthy level. >> reporter: his patients who are given hgh suffer from growth hormone deficiency. one of the few fda approved reasons for taking hgh. he says patients here go through a pituitary gland test to meet the regulations. cenegenics told this man that was his problem. like all patients who take the

hormone. schlesinger says he's monitored and tested four times a year for his testosterone and hgh intake. he now feels like he's 40. all this can cost up to $15,000 a year, cash only. >> my health is first, and whatever it costs me is worth it. >> if you think this is too good to be true, you're not alone. many doctors agree, saying, sure, there may be short term gain, but there will be long term cost. >> it's a fallacy to say that even in low doses that these drugs are not harmful. >> a professor at boston university school of medicine would not talk specifically about cenegenics, but he is a vocal critic of the anti-aging movement. >> i believe giving growth hormone is quackery. there are no studies that show

hormones stop aging. they can enlarge organs and change your body chemistry. >> what do you say to those who say this is voodoo. >> we don't know what the long term effects are going to be with testosterone. >> what's wrong with getting old? >> who wants to get old when we don't have to. >> if next year for some reason you get cancer, will you blame these supplements? >> no, i will not. >> what he will do is continue to be the poster grandpa of a company and a movement that believes the riskier move is to turn away from this fountain of youth they've found in diet, dumbbells and drugs. >> we heard from him about the payoffs, what are the risks of taking performance enhancing drugs like this. earlier i spoke to ian smith, the author of shred, a revolutionary diet. >> i'm curious what you make of this, everything i've heard of

hgh, i don't know if this is too, if you have a cancer tumor in your body, it will make that grow faster as well as other things? >> well, hgh has real clinical implications, particularly for children who have some kind of pituitary problem. there are deficiencies in hgh, the problem is, where do you draw the line between it being therapeutic and something kind of adventurous. for example, athletes using hgh -- in the case of dr. life and his patients. the question remains whether they're doing it because they're deficient or they're trying to get some of the performance enhancements of hgh. >> it seems like in some of these clinics, you can go for multiple blood tests and you're testosterone levels vary, and so you just kind of take enough tests and finally you get a low testosterone level, and they're like, bingo, now you need testosterone.

>> that's right. why isn't the fda going after them? you could make the argument that there is a deficiency and you're replacing the deficiency. the real question is, whether or not that deficiency is enough to require some type of therapeutic intervention. that's where the line gets blurry. >> it seems like long term, does doctors really know the consequences? >> here's the problem. the problem is, they had not done long term studies in people who are using it in this particular fashion. yes, we've done it in children for many years, but athletes because they want the fountain of youth, no, there are no long term studies. we're talking liver abnormalities, tumors, high cholesterol, testicular shrinkage. all kinds of things that happen using these drugs. >> i could see why someone in their 70s who feels like, why not, let's go for it, if i look good and feel better. but i think for young people, that seems to be where the biggest concern is. >> well, the problem is that, it's not just about aesthetics.

dr. life looks like a young person, the question is, what is happening in this biological age, what's happening on the inside, the outside does not mirror the inside. someone who made -- i don't know how much he's using. when you use these kind of anabolic steroids for a long period of time, you're stressing out your organs and your chemical messenger system, it could be a problem. who knows how young he looks inside. that's a problem. >> the fda does not approve it for these anti-aging -- >> here's where it gets tricky. the fda approves drugs for certain use. doctors have the right of doing offlabel use, they can use drugs for uses not approved by the fda if they think it is medically indicated. in the case where someone's doing it to themselves, he's doing it for themselves, there's no beef there. if you're doing it to patients, and it's not really medically indicated there could be. >> bottom line, if he caa patie came to you and said, i want to

go on hgh and testosterone. is that something you would talk them away from? >> absolutely. that's why i wrote my book. the way you eat and how you eat can actually do what some of these drugs will do. i don't believe you need to take these supplements, because the side effect profile is big. if you diet properly and move properly. you can have similar effects. >> thanks very much. we'll be right back. ♪ let's go. ♪ ♪ ♪

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